Brad Frost
Been on the road so haven’t caught up on the Google manifesto nonsense, so enjoyed @adactio’s post (& links): adactio.com/journal/12658
I really should know better than to 386 myself, but this manifesto
from a (former) Googler has me furious.
Oh, first of all, let me just get past any inevitable whinging that I’m not bothering to refute the bullshit contained therein. In the spirit of Brandolini’s law, here are some thorough debunkings:
- Despite speaking very authoritatively, the author does not appear to understand gender.
- Perhaps more interestingly, the author does not appear to understand engineering.
- And most seriously, the author does not appear to understand the consequences of what he wrote, either for others or himself.
manifesto:
Okay, with that out of the way, let me get to what really grinds my gears about this.
First off, there’s the contents of the document itself. It is reprehensible. It sets out to prove a biological link between a person’s gender and their ability to work at Google. It fails miserably, as shown in the links above, but it is cleverly presented as though it were an impartial scientific evaluation (I’m sure it’s complete coincidence that the author just happens to be a man). It begins by categorically stating that the author is all for diversity. This turns out to be as accurate as when someone starts a sentence with “I’m not a racist, but…”
The whole thing is couched in scientism that gives it a veneer of respectability. That leads me to the second thing I’m upset about, and that’s the reaction to the document.
Y’know, it’s one thing when someone’s clearly a troll. It’s easy—and sensible—to dismiss their utterances and move on. But when you see seemingly-smart people linking to the manifestbro and saying “he kind of has a point”, it’s way more infuriating. If you are one of those people (and when I say people, I mean men), you should know that you have been played.
The memo is clearly not a screed. It is calm, clear, polite, and appears perfectly reasonable. “Look,” it says, “I’m just interested in the objective facts here. I’m being reasonable, and if you’re a reasonable person, then you will give this a fair hearing.”
That’s a very appealing position. What reasonable person would reject it? And so, plenty of men who consider themselves to be reasonable and objective are linking to the document and saying it deserves consideration. Strangely, those same men aren’t considering the equally reasonable rebuttals (linked to above). That’s confirmation bias.
See? I can use terms like that to try to make myself sound smart too. Mind you, confirmation bias is not the worst logical fallacy in the memo. That would the Texas sharpshooter fallacy (which, admittedly, is somewhat related to confirmation bias). And, yes, I know that by even pointing out the logical fallacies, I run the risk of committing the fallacy fallacy. The memo is reprehensible not for the fallacies it contains, but for the viewpoint it sets out to legitimise.
The author cleverly wraps a disgusting viewpoint in layers of reasonable-sounding arguments. “Can’t we have a reasonable discussion about this? Like reasonable people? Shouldn’t we tolerate other points of view?” Those are perfectly sensible questions to ask if the discussion is about tabs vs. spaces or Star Wars vs. Star Trek. But those questions cease to be neutral if the topic under discussion is whether some human beings are genetically unsuited to coding.
This is how we get to a situation where men who don’t consider themselves to be sexist in any way—who consider themselves to be good people—end up posting about the Google memo in their workplace Slack channels as though it were a topic worthy of debate. It. Is. Not.
“A-ha!” cry the oh-so-logical and thoroughly impartial men, “If a topic cannot even be debated, you must be threatened by the truth!”
That is one possible conclusion, yes. Or—and this is what Occam’s razor would suggest—it might just be that I’m fucking sick of this. Sick to my stomach. I am done. I am done with even trying to reason with people who think that they’re the victimised guardians of truth and reason when they’re actually just threatened by the thought of a world that doesn’t give them special treatment.
I refuse to debate this. Does that make me inflexible? Yep, sure does. But, y’know, not everything is worthy of debate. When the very premise of the discussion is harmful, all appeals to impartiality ring hollow.
If you read the ex-Googler’s memo and thought “seems reasonable to me”, I hope you can see how you have been played like a violin. Your most virtuous traits—being even-handed and open-minded—have been used against you. I hope that you will try to use those same traits to readdress what has been done. If you read through the rebuttals linked to above and still think that the original memo was reasonable, I fear the damage is quite deep.
It may seem odd that a document that appears to be so reasonable is proving to be so very divisive. But it’s that very appearance of impartiality that gives it its power. It is like an optical illusion for the mind. Some people—like me—read it and think, “this is clearly wrong and harmful.” Other people—who would never self-identify as sexist in any way—read it and think, “seems legit.”
I’m almost—almost—glad that it was written. It’s bringing a lot of buried biases into the light.
By the way, if you are one of those people who still thinks that the memo was “perfectly reasonable” or “made some good points”, and we know each other, please get in touch so that I can re-evaluate our relationship.
The saddest part about all of this is that there are men being incredibly hurtful and cruel to the women they work with, without even realising what they’re doing. They may even think think they are actively doing good.
Take this tweet to Jen which was no doubt intended as a confidence boost:
I disagree with you about the memo, but I always have and continue to admire your work and your giant contributions to CSS. Thank you! ♥️
— Brandon Flynn (@btflynn) August 8, 2017
See how it is glibly passed off as though it were some slight disagreement, like which flavour of ice cream is best? “Well, we’ll agree to disagree about half the population being biologically unsuitable for this kind of work.” And then that’s followed by what is genuinely—in good faith—intended as a compliment. But the juxtaposition of the two results in the message “Hey, you’re really good …for a woman.”
That’s what I find so teeth-grindingly frustrating about all this. I don’t think that guy is a troll. If he were, I could just block and move on. He genuinely thinks he’s a good person who cares about objective truth. He has been played.
A nasty comment from a troll is bad. It’s hurtful in a blunt, shocking way. But there’s a different kind of hurt that comes from a casual, offhand, even well-meaning comment that’s cruel in a more deep-rooted way.
This casual cruelty. This insidious, creeping, never-ending miasma of sexism. It is well and truly intolerable.
This is not up for debate.
Been on the road so haven’t caught up on the Google manifesto nonsense, so enjoyed @adactio’s post (& links): adactio.com/journal/12658
Adactio: Journal—Intolerable - adactio.com/journal/12658
Must-read adactio.com/journal/12658
I think @adactio’s response to the Google manifesto is really excellent. #manifestbro ift.tt/2uqdTQg
@adactio Nails it. It’s not up for debate. adactio.com/journal/12658
Yay, @adactio views that manifesto like I do, but took the time to put it into words. Cheers, Jeremy adactio.com/journal/12658
@adactio on point adactio.com/journal/12658
I didn’t manage to put this into words. But… Yes. This. The anti diversity manifesto is not up for debate. adactio.com/journal/12658
“Intolerable” via @adactio. Important to read both it and the articles linked to.adactio.com/journal/12658
This is all that needs to be said about the Google Memo adactio.com/journal/12658
Spot-on about that ex-googler’s “manifesto” and its layers of reasonability around an intolerable core.
(…) It may seem odd that a document that appears to be so reasonable is proving to be so very divisive. But it’s that very appearance of impartiality that gives it its power. It is like an optical illusion for the mind. Some people—like me—read it and think, “this is clearly wrong and harmful.” Other people—who would never self-identify as sexist in any way—read it and think, “seems legit.” I’m almost—almost—glad that it was written. It’s bringing a lot of buried biases into the light.(…)
Yes. @adactio nails it when comes to the “manifesto” from the former Googler. It is intolerable. adactio.com/journal/12658
@adactio nails it right here: adactio.com/journal/12658 I’d also refuse to work in a place that only employs white man. Mono cultures are bad
If you’re saying “Google bro kind of has a point” you’ve been played adactio.com/journal/12658
Adactio: Journal—Intolerable adactio.com/journal/12658
The best reply to the #GoogleManifesto adactio.com/journal/12658
Jeremy’s excellent and spot-on reaction to the Google “manifesto”. A must-read!
This! Thank you, Jeremy. For wording it so well.adactio.com/journal/12658
“I refuse to debate this. Does that make me inflexible? Yep, sure does.” Amen, @adactio.adactio.com/journal/12658
🔥👏 @adactio on the Googlebro manifesto.adactio.com/journal/12658
Excellent post by @adactio on the #googlememo MUST READ adactio.com/journal/12658
Word up “When the very premise of the discussion is harmful, all appeals to impartiality ring hollow.” adactio.com/journal/12658
Why this google manifesto is so exhausting: adactio.com/journal/12658
Jeremy @adactio Keith has beautifully nailed why so many people are so angry at the #googlememo 💩 Read this please adactio.com/journal/12658
Great article about the google manifesto. adactio.com/journal/12658
“I am done trying to reason with people who think they’re the victimised guardians of truth.” Testify, @adactio.adactio.com/journal/12658
👏 adactio.com/journal/12658 - Intolerable is the right word. I could talk a lot about things, but others like @adactio have already said it.
On the #GoogleMemo, “I refuse to debate this. Does that make me inflexible? Yep, sure does.” adactio.com/journal/12658
RT beep: “When the very premise of the discussion is harmful, all appeals to impartiality ring hollow.” — adactio, adactio.com/journal/12658
Brilliant explanation of why this “manifesto” from a (former) Googler is not up for debate. Read it if you disagreeadactio.com/journal/12658
“This insidious, creeping, never-ending miasma of sexism.” adactio.com/journal/12658
@adactio Thank you so much for adactio.com/journal/12658 Beyond your perfect words, the compendium of refutations at the top is very useful.
“I refuse to debate this. Does that make me inflexible? Yep, sure does. But […] not everything is worthy of debate.” adactio.com/journal/12658
Jeremy Keith has one of the best responses to the bad google thing, which also explains why I’m reluctant to read it adactio.com/journal/12658
Anyway, I really liked @adactio’s piece: adactio.com/journal/12658
“This casual cruelty. This insidious, never-ending miasma of sexism. It is well and truly intolerable.” Damn right adactio.com/journal/12658
Thank you @adactio for calming this girl’s aching soul, and for the perfectly restrained use of ‘grinds my gears’ adactio.com/journal/12658
spot on: adactio.com/journal/12658
Not just intolerable, it’s toxic and contagious. adactio.com/journal/12658
“Intolerable”—I wish the managers in my crew had made a statement. I’m disappointed that they’ve stayed silent: adactio.com/journal/12658
This will convince no one. It may push some people more firmly to the other side, however. adactio.com/journal/12658 #GoogleManifesto
“When the very premise of the discussion is harmful, all appeals to impartiality ring hollow.”@adactio nailed it.adactio.com/journal/12658
Más datos, links y refutaciones, a ver si los “pro-maniifiesto de Google” vais pillando lo de la patada en la cara adactio.com/journal/12658
Intolerableadactio.com/journal/12658
This is the best thing I’ve seen on the Google manifesto: “This is not up for debate.” adactio.com/journal/12658
“If you think the memo ‘made some good points,’ please get in touch so that I can re-evaluate our relationship.” adactio.com/journal/12658
adactio.com/journal/12658 “Intolerable”.
Since there’s a fresh round of manifestbro hell in my feed & messengers this morning, I recommend this by @adactio: adactio.com/journal/12658
Yo men. Here’s your response to the Google Manifesto. adactio.com/journal/12658
“it’s that very appearance of impartiality that gives it its power” adactio.com/journal/12658 via @Instapaper
“This casual cruelty. This insidious, creeping, never-ending miasma of sexism. It is well and truly intolerable.” adactio.com/journal/12658 👏🏼
Hvis du er en av de som tenkte “vi må jo debattere med han Googleren med manifestet”. Du har blitt played brorsanadactio.com/journal/12658
Top story from @rootnot/ux-experts Adactio: Journal—Intolerable adactio.com/journal/12658, see more tweetedtimes.com/rootnot?s=tnp
.@adactio put words to feelings I didn’t know how to properly express. #GoogleMemo adactio.com/journal/12658
“When the very premise of the discussion is harmful, all appeals to impartiality ring hollow.” 👏 adactio.com/journal/12658
.@adactio sums up my feelings much more eloquently than I ever could. A must read. adactio.com/journal/12658
Adactio: On “Reasonable” adactio.com/journal/12658
“just threatened by the thought of a world that doesn’t give them special treatment” Gotta love @adactio adactio.com/journal/12658
“if you read the [#manifestbro] and thought ‘seems reasonable to me’, I hope you can see how you have been played”: adactio.com/journal/12658
Thank you so much for this concise, blistering post, @adactio adactio.com/journal/12658
This: adactio.com/journal/12658 And this: medium.com/@yonatanzunger… (linked in former) Thanks @jensimmons for bubbling this up. ‘nuff said.
Thank you very much for this @adactio adactio.com/journal/12658
Even Google has people who believes Earth is flat. Read it, agree with everything in this blog!!! adactio.com/journal/12658
Excellent post on That Memo, by @adactio: adactio.com/journal/12658
Never be tolerant of intolerant people and ideas. I strongly agree with this: Intolerable by @adactio. adactio.com/journal/12658
Wherein @adactio lets ‘em have it about that whole manifesto thingadactio.com/journal/12658
About that manifesto/ex-Googler. Not able to write down a rant but @adactio says what I would’ve said, only better: adactio.com/journal/12658
a better response: adactio.com/journal/12658
This cuts to why I have felt the #googlememo has been way more dangerous and harmful: its “scientism.” adactio.com/journal/12658
Thank you @adactio ❤️ adactio.com/journal/12658
Intolerable: Jeremy Keith on the Google manifesto adactio.com/journal/12658
A good response to the Google manifesto adactio.com/journal/12658
Did you hear about the Google memo and think ‘that seems reasonable?’ Then please read this adactio.com/journal/12658 (by @adactio)
“I refuse to debate this. Does that make me inflexible? Yep, sure does. But not everything is worthy of debate“ adactio.com/journal/12658
Pretty sure I haven’t read a response I like better to the #manifestbro than @adactio’s. #LumpInMyThroat #ThankYou adactio.com/journal/12658
A very well-written piece on why manifestobro’s document is a steaming pile (even if it “sounds reasonable” to you).adactio.com/journal/12658
Up far, far too late (386ing), but reading ‘Intolerable’ regarding that Google manifesto, by @adactio, was worth it: adactio.com/journal/12658
@adactio sums up my feelings much more eloquently than I ever could. A must read. adactio.com/journal/12658
I agree, this issue is not debatable. Great post by @adactio adactio.com/journal/12658
“When the very premise of the discussion is harmful, all appeals to impartiality ring hollow.” adactio.com/journal/12658
If you read the memo and thought “seems reasonable to me”, I hope you can see how you have been played like a violin adactio.com/journal/12658
Not the type of vacation reading I had planned… But important and highly recommended:medium.com/@yonatanzunger… adactio.com/journal/12658
This moron is not helping himself… bloomberg.com/news/articles/… I’m with @adactio on this, won’t discuss it… adactio.com/journal/12658
“When the very premise of the discussion is harmful, all appeals to impartiality ring hollow” @adactio adactio.com/journal/12658
Everything is up to debate. Question everything moves the world forward. There are indeed problems with stating and concluding things, but ‘not up for debate’ is just as wrong as those. This is irrelevant to the contents of the memo.
“The memo is reprehensible not for the fallacies it contains, but for the viewpoint it sets out to legitimise.”adactio.com/journal/12658
I’ve found I hard to put thoughts on that manifesto down to paper. Luckily, @adactio did a better job than I could…adactio.com/journal/12658
Reception of google memo indicative of pervasive male beliefs about women, usually just expressed more “politely”adactio.com/journal/12658
“I refuse to debate this. […] not everything is worthy of debate.” 💯 adactio.com/journal/12658 /ht @adactio
“… not everything is worthy of debate”adactio.com/journal/12658 Thank-you @adactio. Exactly how I feel about the Google Manifesto.
“When the very premise of the discussion is harmful, all appeals to impartiality ring hollow.” Intolerableadactio.com/journal/12658
More very important details and thoughts on that fucking awful ‘essay’ from that ex-google shitheel adactio.com/journal/12658
This article sums up y the thought of having 2go2 an open discussion bout #googlememo makes me tired to my very core adactio.com/journal/12658
kinda wanna tweet every paragraph in this post 💯 adactio.com/journal/12658
Adactio: Journal—Intolerable adactio.com/journal/12658
This sums up my feelings about the google bro memo better than I could have said it. adactio.com/journal/12658
Pretty good piece by @adactio on the Google memo (for a man) adactio.com/journal/12658
One of the best takes on the Google “manifesto” -> Adactio: Journal—Intolerable adactio.com/journal/12658
The most spot on response to #googlememo that I’ve found adactio.com/journal/12658
It’s not up for debate - adactio.com/journal/12658 - best response to the #googlememo I’ve seen so far
Google memo summed up nicely: adactio.com/journal/12658
Intolerable adactio.com/journal/12658
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One of the best reads about the Google Manifestbro adactio.com/journal/12658
Intolerable adactio.com/journal/12658
This is probably a good response too — Official APA stance on Men & Women: No Big Difference apa.org/research/actio…
This is good; on That Memo, including pointers to many varied rebuttals.adactio.com/journal/12658
This puts into words what I’ve felt about a LOT of topics over the last year. I’m glad someone did.adactio.com/journal/12658
“When the very premise of the discussion is harmful, all appeals to impartiality ring hollow.” adactio.com/journal/12658
This is exactly how I feel when folks try to argue in favor of bigotry. Thanks @adactio; brilliantly said (via adactio.com/journal/12658)
Intolerable adactio.com/journal/12658 via @instapaper
«When the very premise of the discussion is harmful, all appeals to impartiality ring hollow.»adactio.com/journal/12658
Adactio: Journal—Intolerable adactio.com/journal/12658
Have you been played? #nodebate adactio.com/journal/12658
Yep yep yep adactio.com/journal/12658
The google memo is not up for debate. adactio.com/journal/12658
Love @adactio’s take on the shameful Google diversity mess: bit.ly/2vuWlQ5
A dissection of the Google manifestbro (who is now touring right-wing outrage media and Reddit, sigh): adactio.com/journal/12658
It’s the appearance of impartiality that gives it its power. adactio.com/journal/12658?…
Google Manifestbro wrapup: adactio.com/journal/12658
I seem to always agree with @adactio with regards to the web, I agree even more with his stance on being human adactio.com/journal/12658
#googlememo and fallacies adactio.com/journal/12658
RT jasonsantamaria: “This casual cruelty. This insidious, never-ending miasma of sexism. It is well and truly into… adactio.com/journal/12658
Re: google memo, I thought this was an excellent response adactio.com/journal/12658
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