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“A statement used intentionally for the purpose of deception.” adactio.com/journal/13035
Ethan quite rightly points out some semantic sleight of hand by Google’s AMP team:
But when I hear AMP described as an open, community-led project, it strikes me as incredibly problematic, and more than a little troubling. AMP is, I think, best described as nominally open-source. It’s a corporate-led product initiative built with, and distributed on, open web technologies.
But so what, right? Tom-ay-to, tom-a-to. Well, here’s a pernicious example of where it matters: in a recent announcement of their intent to ship a new addition to HTML, the Google Chrome team cited the mood of the web development community thusly:
Web developers: Positive (AMP team indicated desire to start using the attribute)
If AMP were actually the product of working web developers, this justification would make sense. As it is, we’ve got one team at Google citing the preference of another team at Google but representing it as the will of the people.
This is just one example of AMP’s sneaky marketing where some finely-shaved semantics allows them to appear far more reasonable than they actually are.
At AMP Conf, the Google Search team were at pains to repeat over and over that AMP pages wouldn’t get any preferential treatment in search results …but they appear in a carousel above the search results. Now, if you were to ask any right-thinking person whether they think having their page appear right at the top of a list of search results would be considered preferential treatment, I think they would say hell, yes! This is the only reason why The Guardian, for instance, even have AMP versions of their content—it’s not for the performance benefits (their non-AMP pages are faster); it’s for that prime real estate in the carousel.
The same semantic nit-picking can be found in their defence of caching. See, they’ve even got me calling it caching! It’s hosting. If I click on a search result, and I am taken to page that has a URL beginning with https://www.google.com/amp/s/... then that page is being hosted on the domain google.com. That is literally what hosting means. Now, you might argue that the original version was hosted on a different domain, but the version that the user gets sent to is the Google copy. You can call it caching if you like, but you can’t tell me that Google aren’t hosting AMP pages.
That’s a particularly low blow, because it’s such a bait’n’switch. One of the reasons why AMP first appeared to be different to Facebook Instant Articles or Apple News was the promise that you could host your AMP pages yourself. That’s the very reason I first got interested in AMP. But if you actually want the benefits of AMP—appearing in the not-search-results carousel, pre-rendered performance, etc.—then your pages must be hosted by Google.
So, to summarise, here are three statements that Google’s AMP team are currently peddling as being true:
I don’t think those statements are even truthy, much less true. In fact, if I were looking for the right term to semantically describe any one of those statements, the closest in meaning would be this:
A statement used intentionally for the purpose of deception.
That is the dictionary definition of a lie.
Update: That last part was a bit much. Sorry about that. I know it’s a bit much because The Register got all gloaty about it.
I don’t think the developers working on the AMP format are intentionally deceptive (although they are engaging in some impressive cognitive gymnastics). The AMP ecosystem, on the other hand, that’s another story—the preferential treatment of Google-hosted AMP pages in the carousel and in search results; that’s messed up.
Still, I would do well to remember that there are well-meaning people working on even the fishiest of projects.
Except for the people working at the shitrag that is The Register.
(The other strong signal that I overstepped the bounds of decency was that this post attracted the pond scum of Hacker News. That’s another place where the “well-meaning people work on even the fishiest of projects” rule definitely doesn’t apply.)
“A statement used intentionally for the purpose of deception.” adactio.com/journal/13035
This feels pretty accurate. Interesting tech wrapped in deceptive practices. adactio.com/journal/13035
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Thank God for people like @beep and @adactio, loyal evangelists and defenders of the truly open web. adactio.com/journal/13035
“…some finely-shaved semantics allows them to appear far more reasonable than they actually are.” @adactio on AMP: adactio.com/journal/13035
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Some more interesting thoughts on AMP, especially the cached aka “hosted” version. adactio.com/journal/13035
I have some issues with AMP. @adactio does, too. adactio.com/journal/13035
I’ve been saying this from the beginning: AMP is bad and needs to go. adactio.com/journal/13035
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Very clear notes about the misleading marketing of Google’s AMP content hosting product.adactio.com/journal/13035
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..one team at Google citing the preference of another team at Google but representing it as the will of the people.adactio.com/journal/13035
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Très importante description de ce qu’est en vrai AMP, le système de cache et d’accélération de pages de Google : adactio.com/journal/13035
Disgusting part II. “The meaning of AMP” adactio.com/journal/13035
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Tom-ay-to Tom-ar-to: @adactio on Accelerated Mobile Paddocking adactio.com/journal/13035
Oh snap. adactio.com/journal/13035
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“But if you actually want the benefits of AMP … then your pages must be hosted by Google.”adactio.com/journal/13035
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Don’t use AMP kids! adactio.com/journal/13035
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Summarises my long-standing objections to AMP adactio.com/journal/13035
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AMP is basically what’s wrong with SV distilled into a single tech thing adactio.com/journal/13035
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Seems like D^2’s first rule is being pressed hard. adactio.com/journal/13035
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Very well put about dishonesty in framing of Google AMP product as open/neutral/decentralised adactio.com/journal/13035
The meaning of AMP adactio.com/journal/13035 (bit.ly/2ieZ2Pr) via @robinwhittleton
Have added @Adactio’s collection of AMP lies: adactio.com/journal/13035 To my 2015 post where I keep tracking AMP: adrianroselli.com/2015/10/google… 💩
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“One team at Google cites the preference of another team at Google but represents it as the will of the people” — adactio.com/journal/13035
The meaning of AMP: Your periodic reminder of just how shady this tech is. adactio.com/journal/13035 via @adactio
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AMP is a lie. adactio.com/journal/13035
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A powerful statement by Jeremy Keith—The meaning of AMP adactio.com/journal/13035
The meaning of AMP — @adatico is totally on the ball with this one. I think of it as Google saying “All My Pages” adactio.com/journal/13035
AMP and Google’s “semantic sleight of hand”adactio.com/journal/13035
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“A statement used intentionally for the purpose of deception.”adactio.com/journal/13035
3 reasons why AMP is problematic. adactio.com/journal/13035
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Qu’y a-t-il vraiment derrière le format AMP de @Google ? adactio.com/journal/13035
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AMP is the reason why I ditched Google and started using DuckDuckGo on phone. adactio.com/journal/13035
Ugh, Google AMP — what are you doing. Please stop. adactio.com/journal/13035
The meaning of AMP adactio.com/journal/13035 (bit.ly/2ieZ2Pr) via @robinwhittleton
yes, this adactio.com/journal/13035
Le grand bluff de Google à propos des Accelerated Mobile Pages (AMP) adactio.com/journal/13035
“one team at Google citing the preference of another team at Google but representing it as the will of the people” adactio.com/journal/13035
.@adactio’s excellent takedown of the @amphtml team’s continuing use of scummy doublespeak: adactio.com/journal/13035
AMP bait’n’switch:adactio.com/journal/13035
If you care about the future of the web, and are interested in AMP, read this: adactio.com/journal/13035 Things aren’t always as they are told
“it’s not for performance benefits (their non-AMP pages are faster); it’s for prime real estate in the carousel” adactio.com/journal/13035
The meaning of AMP adactio.com/journal/13035 (news.ycombinator.com/item?id=155835…)
[Veille] “The meaning of AMP”, Jeremy Keith (@adactio) #Governance adactio.com/journal/13035
I was all for AMP until I realized what a threat it was. They could at least be honest about it adactio.com/journal/13035
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The Meaning of AMP (spoiler: it’s “lie”) adactio.com/journal/13035 via @adactio #boycottamp
The meaning of AMP, by @adactioJournal. adactio.com/journal/13035
Wouldn’t need AMP if only there were some sort of hyper-fast cross-platform standard document format we could use… adactio.com/journal/13035
Re-hosting and exclusivity of AMP results in the carousel makes charitable interpretation of AMP strategy difficult.adactio.com/journal/13035
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The meaning of AMP by Jeremy Keith (adactio.com)So, to summarise, here are three statements that Google’s AMP team are currently peddling as being true: AMP is a community project, not a Google project. AMP pages don’t receive preferential treatment in search results. AMP pages are hosted on your own domain. I don’t think those statements are even truthy, much less true. In fact, if I were looking for the right term to semantically describe any one of those statements, the closest in meaning would be this: A statement used intentionally for the purpose of deception. That is the dictionary definition of a lie.
If what Jeremy has written is true, I need to know; is there a way to setup my websites to opt-out of AMP?
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Good piece about the BS built around Google’s Amp project. Good note about the Guardian non-amp pages being faster. adactio.com/journal/13035
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A statement used intentionally for the purpose of deception.@adactio is spot on, as usual.adactio.com/journal/13035
Google’s lies about AMP … adactio.com/journal/13035
A thoughtful criticism of AMP’s (deceitful) positioning: adactio.com/journal/13035
“some webs are opener than others adactio.com/journal/13035”
So true.. AMP is an evil force which ought to be squashed before it becomes de-facto…adactio.com/journal/13035
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You don’t need AMP. #webdev adactio.com/journal/13035
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Is anyone actually hosting their own AMP? Totally agree with all of these points, Google‘s claims are all bad faith adactio.com/journal/13035
Would agree that there are well-intentioned people working on AMP. They need to look at the actual results, thoughadactio.com/journal/13035
.@beep https://ethanmarcotte.com/wrote/seven-into-seven/& @adactio https://adactio.com/journal/13035I.e. #AMP is #openwashing not #openweb, similar to #schema before it.It has appearances or aspects of being open (e.g. with defensive statements like “non-google committers”), but in practice is proprietarily controlled/governed (free community labor for corporate leaders), and designed (perhaps unintentionally) to bias an otherwise seemingly open ecosystem towards a single company or small anti-competitive oligopoly in practice.Nevermind the #doublespeak of caching vs hosting, or placement within “search results” implying part of a page vs the more practically meaningful “SERP” (search engine results page) placement, regardless of styling as a horizontal carousel or vertical list.I still think an actually open alternative could be beneficial.Previously, previously, previously:* tantek.com/2017/261/t2/open-alternatives-googleamp * tantek.com/2017/262/t1/amp-yourself-worse-than-html * tantek.com/2017/262/t2/amp-worse-than-html-subset * tantek.com/2017/263/t1/open-html-subset-interacts-quickly* tantek.com/2015/280/t1/js-dr-amp-not-include-javascript * tantek.com/2015/280/t2/make-amp-smaller-ban-jsonld-schema-orgMore: https://indieweb.org/AMP
The devil in disguise adactio.com/journal/13035
Why I won’t use AMP, in a nutshell. adactio.com/journal/13035
Interesante crítica al protocolo AMP adactio.com/journal/13035
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Tech wrapped in deception. adactio.com/journal/13035
adactio.com/journal/13035 - the meaning on AMP. Love these articles about the philosophy of tech by @adactio
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This is something I agree with. I think AMP was not only a mistake but def Google peddling their stuff as gold. adactio.com/journal/13035
Guardian use AMP not for performance (their non-AMP pages are faster) but for the prime real estate in the carousel adactio.com/journal/13035
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The meaning of AMP adactio.com/journal/13035 The Google team is at best being disingenuous with the treatment of AMP pages
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I don’t like @Google AMP. I like (real) open standards. And here are @adactio thoughts about that: adactio.com/journal/13035 #webdev
Or as I like to call it: Google HTML „The meaning of AMP“ adactio.com/journal/13035
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“the preferential treatment of Google-hosted AMP pages in the carousel and in search results; that’s messed up” adactio.com/journal/13035
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Google’s AMP “A statement used intentionally for the purpose of deception. That is the (..) definition of a lie.” adactio.com/journal/13035
Good piece by @adactio. Passion for a single objective at any cost can lead good people to rationalise dishonesty. So it is with @amphtml? adactio.com/journal/13035
About AMP, another shady project. adactio.com/journal/13035
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Good? Bad? Unfair? How do you feel about AMP? (via @adactio) ow.ly/fEWH30gp5ti
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@adactio re: adactio.com/journal/13035 How else would you have AMP accomplish pre-rendering w/o the cache?
Strong but (mostly) fair words from @adactio. “The Meaning of AMP” adactio.com/journal/13035
The latest news around AMP isn’t good. E.g. Google still claim not to give preferential treatment to AMP pages in search results, but will show them in a carousel above search results. Some posts & a thread:timkadlec.com/remembers/2018…adactio.com/journal/13035threadreaderapp.com/thread/9639058…
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