May 23rd, 2016

@adactio why? I am of the opposite opinion if the experience is being launched from the homescreen.

@adactio I think it’s good,cos it’s v unclear to me what the obvious thing to do is on entering a URL in the URL bar in an icon-launched PWA

@adactio and what launching a website from an icon should do on desktop if that icon wants a URL bar. It should be a tab? But that’s weird.

@Paul_Kinlan I want people to be able to copy URLs. I want people to be able to hack URLs. I’m not ashamed of my URLs …I’m downright proud.

@adactio (exploring my thoughts…) if the user installs it as an “app” would they expect it look and feel like an app would? i.e no address

@Paul_Kinlan @adactio if chrome allows add to home screen with display: browser then lighthouse should allow it

@Paul_Kinlan I think it’s a bit infantilizing to assume people will be confused and should therefore be disempowered. I like to give choice.

@gauntface @Paul_Kinlan @adactio lighthouse isn’t really a checker, though, right? It’s a lint tool: it checks best practice, not validity

@gauntface @adactio Chrome iirc will not show banner if it is not standalone cc @mounirlamouri and @slightlylate as we discussed recently

@Paul_Kinlan The lack of URLs is a bug in native (just like the lack of pinch/zoom). Reproducing those bugs on the web makes no sense to me.

@Paul_Kinlan @gauntface @adactio @mounirlamouri @slightlylate not sure it was impl, I know we discussed only on standalone minimal-ui fullsc

@adactio @gauntface @Paul_Kinlan I need more than 140 characters, here. Blog post in progress, once I’m not in the pub. :)

@Paul_Kinlan That’s shocking. Absolutely shocking. (It’s also not true, at least in the versions of Chrome on Android I tested with).

@Paul_Kinlan adactio.com/journal/9814

@adactio on Android N, it changes where you are in the app list too: twitter.com/slightlylate/s…

@adactio can you file a bug (if you haven’t already) and we can discuss it there? We are more than happy to evolve Lighthouse :)

@adactio Surely, if adding a web app to home screen this is fine? Depends on the use case of site. Web app == ok, normal site == not ok.

@dafzthomas @adactio it could be open to huge abuse. The address bar is part of navigating a website? What about the back & forward buttons?

@daveredfern @adactio Still the use cases. Websites versus a Web App. Two different products… Everything is open to abuse really.

@dafzthomas @adactio you make the assumption people will build in good navigation to their web app. Not sure reality reflects that.

@dafzthomas @adactio In theory is sounds good. Heck, I have wanted to do it. But I fear the downsides could out way the benefits.

@daveredfern @adactio It’s all just use cases at the end of the day. Could be good, could be aweful. I’m for it for web applications….

@daveredfern @adactio …that work as self contained ‘apps’ :P

@dafzthomas @adactio at what point should they be included in the app store?

@daveredfern @adactio What if someone has a device that said app would not be supported? Which is why I love web <3 But I am all for options

@dafzthomas Define “web app”.adactio.com/journal/6246

@dafzthomas @adactio can we do fullscreen anyway launching from home screen? Invisionapp does it.

@adactio Difficult, I agree. I guess: Trello/Gmail/Messenger == web app. Wiki, Twitter, my person site == website.

@dafzthomas @adactio It’s a web app if you get to the point in development when you care about things like a manifest.json

@daveredfern @adactio That’s what I mean. Launching a web app from home screen can be fullscreen. Browsing it normally (in browser) won’t.

@dafzthomas @adactio Are we talking about fullscreen from inside safari when visiting a website then?

@daveredfern @adactio Nope. When just visiting a website/web app, there would be no reason to force in fullscreen. Only from home ‘app’ icon

@danielbovey @dafzthomas Cool — adactio.com is a web app then?

@adactio @danielbovey No I wouldn’t say it’s a web app just because of manifest.json.