August 22nd, 2019

They definitely are regular web pages! Like there is literally nothing you could possibly argue that makes them not a web page. How do you define “regular web page” in a way that it could exclude AMP pages? Jeremy Keith Jeremy Keith Tony Haile

Regular web pages don’t require loading a specific JavaScript file. adactio.com/notes/15670 Tony Haile Malte Ubl

Regular web pages don’t require loading a specific JavaScript file. adactio.com/notes/15670 Tony Haile Malte Ubl

What makes pages built with AMP less “regular” than pages built with e.g. Bootstrap or React in this context? Jeremy Keith Jeremy Keith Tony Haile Malte Ubl

That’s just BS. If it is linkable and renders in web browsers is it a web page. Like. You can’t possible argue that this is not a web page tr.glbnews.com/08-2019/527817… Jeremy Keith Jeremy Keith Tony Haile

The “requires external JS” file is something you might not think is great. Good news, this post blog.amp.dev/2019/08/07/fas… shows the path to that requirement going away soon. So, even if your definition is right (which it isn’t) it is soon wrong. Jeremy Keith Jeremy Keith Tony Haile

You don’t get rewarded by Google Search for building pages with Bootstrap or React. In. This. Context. adactio.com/notes/15671 Filip Stanis Tony Haile Malte Ubl

You don’t get rewarded by Google Search for building pages with Bootstrap or React. In. This. Context. adactio.com/notes/15671 Filip Stanis Tony Haile Malte Ubl

Are proprietary attributes like “amp” and “amp-boilerplate”, both of which appear in “Create your first AMP Page” (amp.dev/documentation/…), going away? Until then, it isn’t really a “regular web page”. Jeremy Keith Jeremy Keith Tony Haile Malte Ubl

What is a regular web page then? Are Angular web pages with the ng-app attribute web pages? angularjs.org Jeremy Keith Jeremy Keith Tony Haile Trek, Drugs & Jem’hadar

Nobody (I hope?) is arguing that web pages should default to being Angular SPAs, though. Yet you seem to be making something tantamount to that argument with AMP. Jeremy Keith Jeremy Keith Tony Haile Malte Ubl

I’m just saying: Web pages containing custom attributes is perfectly normal and doesn’t influence whether they are web pages or not. Whether you put an amp attribute on your HTML element or not certainly doesn’t change whether that document is a web page or not. Jeremy Keith Jeremy Keith Tony Haile Trek, Drugs & Jem’hadar

Wow, that is certainly one strategy for attempting to sway people to your side! Jeremy Keith Jeremy Keith Tony Haile Malte Ubl

I’m not arguing for any particular side except asking the legitimacy of the existence to be acknowledged. @adactio could just say “I disagree with xy and z” but instead he questions the right to exist. It leads to (certainly unintended) impression of fascism. Jeremy Keith Jeremy Keith Tony Haile Jemal Cole - Amazon FC Ambassador Robot

Wow. You just called Jeremy a fascist for not liking the software you write. You should really think about that. Hey, if a site wants to stop using AMP, what’s the procedure for that? Malte Ubl

No, he is super free to not like the software I write. What he isn’t cool to do is to say: Web pages written using your software aren’t web pages. The answer to your question is documented here developers.google.com/search/docs/gu… Jemal Cole - Amazon FC Ambassador Robot

I know @adactio’s arguments outside of this conversation. I empathize and appreciate them. We had a very specific argument, and I felt very hurt by the line of argument. Jemal Cole - Amazon FC Ambassador Robot

Ah, that does make him a fascist then. Good call. Malte Ubl

When I’m hurt I rant and rave and call people names too. Jeremy Keith Jeremy Keith Malte Ubl

Anyway, have a good one! Jeremy Keith Jeremy Keith Malte Ubl

Yowza! Far from questioning AMP’s right to exist, I want it to exist and compete on a level playing field—without being propped up by an unfair advantage in search results. Classic fascism, that. adactio.com/notes/15673 Tony Haile Malte Ubl Jemal Cole - Amazon FC Ambassador Robot

Yowza! Far from questioning AMP’s right to exist, I want it to exist and compete on a level playing field—without being propped up by an unfair advantage in search results. Classic fascism, that. adactio.com/notes/15673 Tony Haile Malte Ubl Jemal Cole - Amazon FC Ambassador Robot

Yowza! Far from questioning AMP’s right to exist, I want it to exist and compete on a level playing field—without being propped up by an unfair advantage in search results. Classic fascism, that. adactio.com/notes/15673

So I take it that guy’s arguments and insults haven’t swayed you, huh? ¯_(ツ)_/¯ Jeremy Keith Jeremy Keith

A thing that shows how webby AMP is is seeing it inside Safari inside of Twitter. Google not involved, format benefits Twitter’s users. Compare to other formats that are mandatory-or-close to show up in other dominant platforms, but no 3rd parties can leverage/influence. Jeremy Keith Jeremy Keith Tony Haile Malte Ubl