April 16th, 2020

Replying to a tweet from @getify

I reacted to it in this post:

https://adactio.com/journal/16404

I was a little disappointed to see Kyle Simpson—who I admire greatly—conflate separation of concerns with progressive enhancement in his talk from JSCamp 2019

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getify

interesting, thanks. missed that blog post.

# Posted by getify on Thursday, April 16th, 2020 at 2:25pm

Scott Jehl

I appreciate the suggestion of exposing more control and options to the user. I had trouble relating to the FOUC problem as an inherent downside of PE, though. We have several options for delivering CSS along w/ HTML to paint early & accurately, & JS can layer gently as well, no?

# Posted by Scott Jehl on Thursday, April 16th, 2020 at 2:34pm

getify

My experience building the web in the trenches from 2005-2012’ish was decidedly pretty ugly in those respects. So I’m pretty battle scarred with those memories. Things are a lot better now, but I don’t think it was that rosy back then.

# Posted by getify on Thursday, April 16th, 2020 at 2:36pm

Scott Jehl

Sure, I can relate to those old challenges (e.g. alistapart.com/article/testdr… ). But even then, we could rely on a stylesheet link to block render until ready, and even inline the CSS to render on arrival. Today, we might server-push CSS w/ HTML. All ways to pair first paint & layout.

# Posted by Scott Jehl on Thursday, April 16th, 2020 at 2:56pm

Have you published a response to this? :