April 16th, 2020

Replying to a tweet from @getify

The way I see it, the people encouraging progressive enhancement made almost zero impact. It wasn’t that the next generation misinterpreted the message; they never even got the message in the first place.

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Shane Hudson

It comes down to not understanding the medium. I have lost count of how many times I’ve seen (even in just the past few weeks) things like: “TIL: Buttons default to submit”.


The fullness of PE may not have taken hold the way many from that original generation hoped… but it’s undeniable that from that same period, the “gospel of SOC” embed deeply. And, sounding like a broken record, I think that was the original sin.

# Posted by getify on Thursday, April 16th, 2020 at 3:06pm


I totally agree with this. I don’t think there was any mistake. Some just didn’t care about performance, accessibility, … A new trend I saw is that because some apps are behind a paywall, they don’t care about those topics. And I don’t know how to change their mind (mostly PM)

# Posted by Thain on Thursday, April 16th, 2020 at 3:09pm

Jeremy Keith

We fundamentally disagree. Based on the architecture of most framework-driven bloated single page apps today, the idea of separating concerns—much less progressive enhancement—isn’t even known about. This “gospel” had no disciples. adactio.com/notes/16769


First, I was talking about how SOC embeded itself deeply at the time. I definitely fought in the “don’t use onclick in your markup!” (et al) wars for many, many years. But that’s exactly my point…we fought about SOC, not for the ideals of PE.

# Posted by getify on Thursday, April 16th, 2020 at 3:14pm

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